Mr. GOLDSMITH - I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many months after the assassination was this? According to an FBI report dated November 22, 1963, warehouse manager Roy Truly said, The Texas School Book Depository has occupied the building at 411 Elm Street for only a few months. Walther was sure they were not as high as the sixth floor. Mr. WILCOTT - It was right at my window, my disbursing cage window. In my letter to him, I praised him for his courage and expressed the hope that someday he might fill in the gaps of his story for the sake of history. After standing on the front steps to see the shooting of the president, Frazier did something odd, about which he seemed to contradict himself about in an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum in 2013. To his left was a door that led into the office of Scott Foresman. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. As described to me by Joe Bergin, Jr., son of the regional manager of Scott Foresman, working conditions changed dramatically after the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Certainly with George Breen, XXXXXXXXXXX the circle of social friends that we had. Carolyn Walther, a street spectator waiting to see the presidents motorcade, observed a two-man sniper team at a window on the fifth floor on the far-right side of the building. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know how to answer that. ALTERED! Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? At the time of the assassination of JFK, Wilcott worked at the Agency's Tokyo station where he said he was told by other Agency personnel that funds he himself had disbursed were for "Oswald" or the "Oswald Project." Mr. DODD - Was he described as an agent to you or was he described as an operative or a paid informant? Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? Wilcott was a private pilot and landed his plane at noon, 11-23-63, Tokyo time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, are you here with Counsel today? We will. During the period, it was unvouchered funds, and my duties were general accounting, and my rate in status was GS-5. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. A fellow researcher named Eric Lee Jordan visited the site and took pictures of it. At the time of the assassination, Shelley was in his sixteenth year of employment at the TSBD. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why not? One label read Texas School Book Depository, 500 Red Pony books by John Steinbeck, from Bobbs-Merrill. Their whereabouts are completely unknown. Feel free to use any part of it as you please. It could be a hoax, but sounds sincere. Mr. PREYER - That was shop talk, speculation, I gather; people were saying that the CIA is somehow connected with it. Mr. WILCOTT - Approximately two years, sir. Shelleys claim that he was an intelligence officer would make sense if, as an ROTC lieutenant, he received intelligence training and perhaps even given some assignments in counterespionage. Mr. WILCOTT - I flipped through it. Wilcott worked in the accounting department and was in charge of disbursement of cash funds. responsibilities were primarily record keeping and disbursing of funds. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people in the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - Especially after Kennedy's assassination, there was a great deal of very, very serious discontent with CIA, and the morale at the station had dropped considerably, and we heard some very, very bitter denunciations of CIA and the projects that they were undertaking. Many notes and gifts, often created by him, are left for us as a tribute to his kindness and love. He claims the charges were dropped, but he stated that he turned away several newspapers and magazines offering huge amounts of money for his personal account of the assassination. Mr. SAWYER - It went through the XXXXXXX station? Mr. CORNWELL - In the conversations which you have described occurring within a period of one, two or three months after the assassination with other CIA employees and officers, did they suggest in those conversations to you that their employment, the CIA's employment, of Oswald had any relation to the assassination or only that it related to the, events you have already described -- namely, the training of him in Atsugi in the Russian language and the sending of him to Russia and using of him as a double agent and that sort of thing? Mr. CORNWELL - Has any representative of the Agency or anyone who you believed might be a representative of the Agency ever come to you and discussed these matters? Mr. CORNWELL - The cryptonym -- did you write it down at any point? Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? In 1947, the year when the CIA was formed, the Dallas city directory lists William Shelley as a clerk for the Hugh Perry Book Depository (the old name for the Texas School Book Depository), and that he had a room at 515 Martinique Avenue. Please excuse this messy letter. Mr. WILCOTT - -- to the Miami Station. (Whereupon, at 12:55 p.m. the subcommittee recessed. Can you recall whether the tone of it was rumor or shop talk or was the tone of it that "this is true"? Mr. DODD - In 1957? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why would anyone have shared this particular information with you? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I am sorry -- if Oswald was what? It has been directed to the Deputy Chief Counsel in charge of the investigation for his review. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978
359-360, 386-387. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? Two retired Sexton officials told me that they moved out of the building on November 14, 1961, and that it remained vacant for at least a year. I believe it was more in a speculative realm. Obviously, my handwriting has long been broken down. Mr. WILCOTT - With any degree of certainty, other than just speculation, I would say, six or seven with some degree of certainty. He also sent a copy of the letter from Blakey as well as a 1978 article from the Dallas Morning News concerning the aforementioned Carolyn Arnold, who states she definitely saw Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom at 12:25 pm. She told a reporter that the FBI falsified her statement to read that she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald on the first floor at 12:15.. of the Select Committee on
Mr. WILCOTT - Dozens, literally dozens. Mr. PREYER - Thank you for being here today, and I will call the subcommittee to order at this time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember when specifically this conversation took place? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, in a speculative manner. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check your cash disbursement files? She confided this information to Mrs. Bergin and told her that she had a copy of the First Ladys dress, pink in color with the black velvet collar. Needless to say, she never did wear that dress. Mr. CORNWELL - However, I take it from the fact that, as you describe it, it wasn't always applied, that occasionally you did learn something about the identities of the persons or projects that the cryptonyms referred to; is that correct? Give as a gift or purchase for a team or group. Mr. DODD - I am a little confused, I suppose,
JAMES WILCOTT'S TESTIMONYJames B. Wilcott, a former CIA accountant, swore in a secret session of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he was told by other CIA employees that Lee Harvey Oswald was paid by the CIA, and that money he himself had disbursed was for "Oswald or the Oswald project." Mr. DODD - When you decided to release that information? Mr. SAWYER - Was he in Utica? Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report. 25-26. Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct. Mr. WILCOTT - They never revealed that to me, sir, as far as their relations with Oswald. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Of all times to break down, my typewriter chose tonight to do it. There are photos of him getting into a police car along with Bonnie Ray Williams and Daniel Arce. every CIA Case Officer who worked XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? At my request, he sent me a copy. As you can well imagine, she was quite confused because the job was low-paying and involved minor duties. We should not jump to conclusions, since we do not know the entity that was actually paying him. Copyright 2016-2022 by kennedysandking.com All Rights Reserved. About four or five years after the assassination, she said, Scott Foresman and another publisher called Southwestern decided to sever ties with the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. PREYER - Thank you. There was XXXXXXXXXXXX Branch, who had XXXXXXXXXXX cover. Mr. WILCOTT - I believe that Oswald was a double agent, was sent over to the Soviet Union to do intelligence work, that the defection was phoney and it was set up and that I believe that Marina Oswald was an agent that had been recruited sometime before and was waiting their in Tokyo for Lee Harvey Oswald. His first day on the job was October 29, 1945. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir; at Oakland Technical High School, at the invitation of -- the social department asked me if I wanted to speak and I said yes, and so I spoke to two classes at Oakland Technical High School. Wilcott also claimed that while at his station assignment in Japan, it was common knowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - No. I apologize. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was their response? ", and they might look it over and retype the accounting for funds for their project and, you know, make changes that they might think were in their interest to do. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. During a follow up call, he told me that the two musicians were not in contact with former members of the band and knew nothing of their whereabouts nor of their current activities. Mr. CORNWELL - Had you done anything or said anything engaged in any activity which became of concern to them? Additional gift options are available when buying one eBook at a time. Mr. WILCOTT - They were extremely vulgar and I don't think that I should give the full context of them. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? Mr. DODD - Would you care to tell us any of the names of people whom you communicated with? The other one was the Lone Star School Book Depository, also located in the city of Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I didn't. In 1970, the TSBD and the schoolbook publishers moved out of the old 411 Elm Street building. Occupation of the building during the summer of 1963 could be a first step in a planning stage. Near the two freight elevators were Shelley and co-worker Billy Lovelady. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was "We all know all about you" and signed "The Minutemen" or some very vulgar remarks and "We know all about you and signed "Minutemen." Mr. WILCOTT - I really don't know. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, does that mean you were able to check back only thirty days from the time that you were given this information? Mr. WILCOTT - Not the files, no. Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. He kept his pocket calendars from his years of employment, and he noted when the grocery company moved out of the building to a new facility in another part of Dallas. He learned this after the fact through various sources within the Agency, who all recognized what had happened after the assassination and the association of Oswalds name with the crime. And during that period, I had been promoted, GS-7 and also gained a career status. Here, by your own testimony, you were supportive of the President, and certainly the most significant tragedy, I think, probably in the last 15 years or 20 years was the assassination of President Kennedy, and you are told by some who worked for the Agency that Oswald was a CIA agent and you already were dissatisfied with the actions of the Agency and you are told this in 1964 and yet it takes four, years, or two years, after you had left the Agency, recognizing the tremendous import and significance of that, and I am terribly confused as to why you decided to keep that information to yourself and to your wife. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Offficer at the CIA? It was not until 1999 that I located and spoke with Leslie Thompson, one of the original members. Mr. CORNWELL - At several points in your testimony you have stated there were six or seven persons, and on each occasion you raised the extent of their knowledge as "knew" or "believed." Why would men who had just shown their FBI identification badges suspect that new employees were concealing the fact that they too were connected to an intelligence agency? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes; it is my belief that he was a regular agent and this was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? With perhaps two CIA agents on the same premises, a careful scrutiny of the company they worked for is needed to understand what happened the day President Kennedy was killed. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And the first time you alleged in public this allegation was in 1968? Mr. CORNWELL - Is there any chance that that record stil exists? This is more than just an investigative report. Mr. DODD - Am I to presume that you told your wife of the conversation you had with this case officer at the time it occurred? His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. If you should need to contact me, you may do so in care of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Tx. [12], A suggestion of smuggling activities within the TSBD comes in the form of boxes too large to be practical containers of books. [14] William Harvey obituary in The New York Times, June 14, 1976. Since a cubic foot of books is about 25 to 30 pounds, a box such as this, when loaded with books, would have weighed around 375 to 450 poundstoo heavy to manage with a handcart. Joe Molina, credit manager for the book depository since 1947, worked with FBI informer William Lowery in infiltrating leftist organizations. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I think we had better go over that one more time. From June of 1964 to about December of 1964, I was at Roseland. Mr. WILCOTT - I was afraid quite frankly. I spoke to groups in their homes and I spoke to groups in the Peace and Freedom Party and I was with the Peace and Freedom Party for several years. John F. Kennedy Subcommittee
Mr. WILCOTT - I can't remember, sir. Upon request, the National Archives sent me a copy of the letter. This was about, believe -- about October of 1975. Also Present: Michael Goldsmith, Counsel, and Gary Cornwell, Counsel. In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. Butler said that the 411 Elm Street building was vacant for at least a year after his company moved out. ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY . Considering the noise of gun blasts and the uproar going on outside, it is odd that Oswald continued to be unconcerned. He was fortunate to have many travels, including celebration of his 60th birthday in Antarctica. He had keen interests in history and weather, and much of his writing related to these. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. All that I knowand the attending dead endswere passed along to a researcher and author in Dallas a few years ago. His father lost weight and developed a stoop in the way he stood and walked; his hair and facial features aged prematurely. Other people who worked at the book depository suffered as well. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't understand. Mr. PREYER - He stated that as a fact and not that he believed it was drawn out for Oswald or it could have been or something like that? Apart from the one officer who said to you that you had paid monies with respect to Oswald's cryptonym, what were the other six or seven persons' purported connection with Oswald and the Agency's relation to him. Thank you for your letter. After completing the questionnaire, the two F.B.I. or C.I.A. Let us say, for instance, that there was a certain project going on, and the project was one that became known that this project was being carried out -- and we call it "flaps," -- and the Case Officer in charge might get word that somebody from headquarters was coming to review the files to investigate the flap. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Reminder warnings were given on an individual or a small group basis. I was scared until the Carter Administration. I apologize." In November 1963, on the Friday before Thanksgiving, President Kennedy was riding in a Lincoln convertible rolling through the streets of Dallas. Mr. SAWYER - Well, what were your antiwar activities that you refer to? In this area were numerous cardboard boxes, four feet square by five feet high. (SIG) in CIA Counterintelligence held a 201 file on Oswald in the three years prior to JFK's assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - My current one that I had on my counter. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? Governor John Connally and his wife, Nellie, sat in front of them. Present: Representatives Preyer (presiding), Dodd and Sawyer. James Wilcott's Testimony Intro Author: Jim Hargrove <hargrove@enteract.com> . Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. I think we ought to state that the record shows that Mr. Sawyer is a member of the Kennedy Subcommitte Preyer. There were, as I recall, three men there, all I think in shirt sleeves. Roy Truly, who started working for the book depository in 1934, took a part-time job at the North American Aviation plant in Arlington, Texas during the war years. One man had blonde or light-brown hair, wore a white shirt, and was armed with a rifle. that correct? James B. Wilcott was a CIA accountant who disbursed CIA station funds in Tokyo, Japan. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would your Counsel identify himself for the recorder? Mr. PREYER - Under our committee rules, Mr. Wilcott, a witness is entitled, at the conclusion of the questioning, to make a five-minute statement if he wishes or to give a fuller explanation of any of his answers; so that at this time we make that five minutes available to you if you care to elaborate or say anything further. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Well, in other words, if you got the information three months after the assassination, Oswald had already been dead for three months, is that right? I am afraid we are going to have to leave to make this vote right now. Mr. PREYER - And have you made that available to us? These promotions will be applied to this item: Some promotions may be combined; others are not eligible to be combined with other offers. The CIA and the JFK Assassination. Support JFK Facts Here's how you can help: Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? In the work that Oliver Stone has done for his upcoming four-part documentary series on the JFK case, he uncovered information that Truly was not being paid directly through the Texas School Book Depository in 1963. All I remember is that her husband was previously a member of the musical group The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. She didnt show up for work the next day and didnt pick up her final paycheck. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, they were such incidents as the FBI agent that was working with a group -- and this was an established fact that this person was an FBI agent and that he wa working with the group that I was working with an antiwar group and, to my mind, there is a very great likelihood that this person was there to neutralize me, as the CIA term went. Mr. WILCOTT - From the time I left I talked at various times, especially at parties and things like that, on social occasions, with people at headquarters and with people at my station, and we would converse about it and I used to say things like, "What do you think about Oswald being connected with the CIA? SILENCED! There were two depositories in the state of Texas. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am. No doubt the police asked Shelley a lot of questions, and it is possible that they kept him in custody until he gave satisfactory answers. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And you have had access to the cash disbursement files at XXXXXXXXXXXXX Station? Missing evidence could be attributed to the systematic destruction of anything contrary to the official version. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Then, by checking your records, which only went back thirty days, isn't it true that you wouldn't have gotten any information concerning Oswald anyway because Oswald had already been dead for one or two months? About a minute or two later, NBC news reporter Robert MacNeil came in through the front door, amazed to see three calm men. Dr. King was killed by one rifle shot fired from in front of him. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. [7] Through some insider intrigue, a saleslady at Neiman Marcus found out what Jacqueline Kennedy was going to wear the day of her arrival in Dallas. I was in too much of a hurry to remember what the three men looked like. Below is an obituary from the Austin American-Statesman published on Dec. 15, 2019. Mr. PREYER - I would like before we begin to read a written statement concerning the subject of the investigation. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. [8] Jim Marrs, Crossfire (Carroll & Graf. Common to both the 1977 and 1989 letters are the strange men asking strange questions. He was still living on Tatum Avenue at the time of the assassination. Hurt initially doubted that such a large container could be moved into the building inconspicuously. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your personal knowledge, CIA records XXXXXXXXXX were destroyed? Mr. WILCOTT - No. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Not really files; it was my book. Shelleys second claim was that he joined the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Reid Dennis, Chief of Soviet Satellite Branch; and XXXXXXXXXX, China Branch, and he also had a cover. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. GOLDSMITH - As a matter of routine, there would be that reference? * 2017 JFK has a detailed guide to the massive JFK disclosures scheduled for October 2017. As mentioned, this woman, her husband, and young child disappeared within hours after my interview. [13], (As an aside, CIA officer William Harvey worked for Bobbs-Merrill in the last years of his life as a law editor.[14]). What it was is hard to guess. Mr. CORNWELL - How many of them were newspaper or magazine reporters or involved in at least the news business ? Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? the day we would list all of the advances that were made in an advance book. It was dated December 12, 1977,[11] and, at the bottom, it had the authors full name. * JFK Facts editorJefferson Morley will personally answer your JFK questions. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I realize this is testimony 15 years after the fact. [17] Gladys Cason, One Life, self-published book, 2004, pp. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Was he a CIA employee? The search for a solution to these riddles leads into the murky world of intrigue involving the FBI and CIA dirty work. Mr. WILCOTT - All of the people that we mentioned in the case. Yet the mere existence of oversized boxes on the premises does not constitute proof of ongoing illegal activities. His wife Mildred refused to talk about the assassination even with members of her own family. Mr. DODD - at that time? 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