Yep, 90-days would have been about the right time to bail out before their resume became tainted. Nice list. Acts 20:17, Paul called the elders. 1 Peter 5:1, Peter exhorted the elders. It is never one individual who rules over the church, but a group of people, the elders. If its any comfort, other steps are being taken. But some dopes might not think they were so funny, eh?. What in the world is going on? I truly believe God provides the grace for elders to walk in the attributes in 1Tim 3but if a church isnt even looking at those thingsbut rather recommends a person onto an elder board because he/she is strategic or a fundraiser or a CEO or a finance person or a large donor (or whatever nonsensical qualification they THINK they need)this is the departure that I think God says no to. This is accomplished mainly through having only a few puppet elders who are as dirty as the head pastor, hence, the 3 out of state elders Driscoll chose. His new incognito Floridian Santa Claus look wont stop this. What they all have in common is serving self interest, whereas the crux of the life and message of Jesus is that the way to life is to lay down self and serve others. So there is that. Look what that got them. We rejoice in Gods faithfulness to us the first 30 years! It doesnt even matter if you post your actual name, if someone is full of venom for you, theyll find some reason to spew it. 1/3 https://t.co/2PHkVGmEfJ, © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. . Ill have to ruminate on that a while. Remember, God is the master designer!!. I have to admit that Philippians 1 often comes to mind as I look at these mega-messes the American church is in. Rich: I think theres a massive problem with the deference thats given to pastors and other religious leaders. On a side note, Im wondering if the wealth of knowledge that you and others like Jessica Hockett possesswondering if perhaps the two of you, along with a few other key people, have considered meeting and strategizing what could be some next steps going forward to help ensure that Gods people will never again be fleeced by the likes of James MacDonald, Luke MacDonald, Rick Donald, Jeff Donaldson, and, if it comes down to it, Donald Duck. Whether or not those offices were appropriate, church history shows they developed early and were ubiquitous. BTW, I am 99.99% sure that my 86-year-old mother can be trusted. Not one. Then, Rick Donald, James MacDonald, and Elder Steve Huston worked to suppress them from the rest of the Elders. It is somewhat inevitable, as their theology asserts that the lost are not so much lost as rejected and doomed by eternal decree from the get go. Some comments lead to some questions. Faith Driven Team September 6, 2021 Bio, Christian investor, Voice. I believe he also was something of an unwitting prophet, possibly used by the Lord Himself, to reflect a mirror back at U.S. Christendom. And your husband whos probably going through a rough one. sober-minded We all know who is trustworthy, mature and wise to go to for advice or counsel. For our setting and ministries, it would be very difficult. Weve drifted so far from the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth, Im not sure the institutional church can find its way back. Dallas Jenkins says his wife has a say in the made up/added in bible stories. (which for me is the whole idea. In reality both of you have despised the real Jesus and have lived a life promoting a false one that does not care how much you made or JMac. Just let go of the reins, lil woman, and submit to your God-given, masculine authorities . CJ Mahaney spread $$$ which brought him years of support from the Calvinista leaders.. Jeff Chalmers Just Do. The Church of the Living God needs to be on the alert for any ex-HBC executives/elders who served under MacDonald for more than 3 months. Its like dj vu all over again. -Yogi Berra. The only reason there is a belief Jesus ministry was three years is because Johns gospel notes three Passovers. That might be the case if your view of Christianity is limited to the local mega-show, but there are places in the world, and even in the US for that matter, where Christianity is much more Biblical and robust, and is not even close to fading away. TS00: Why would a quickly growing church choose an unproven young man, father of very young children (along with others similarly unproven, all from our young marrieds class) to be an elder, responsible for overseeing and counseling others? SiteSeer: I see nothing denoting an office. It seems like to me that in a group of people, these things sort themselves out without anyone declaring it to be a position and appointing people to it. Too many are like big box stores that shutter all of (the little churches on) Main Street, and then close their own doors forever. It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. Dallas Jenkins: It was given to the elders two months ago. Notice that Fred brags about Negotiating more than $100 million in church mortgage financing. While Im not one of those men who consistently meets the qualification for eldership, I do know several who do. When youve been around as long as I have, you learn some things. I doubt that the facts will stop MacDonald from making an unrepentant comeback. I rather doubt that they were able to get it right in the end. 4107 N Steele Blvd, Fayetteville, AR, 72703, United States. But they wernt. So at least in theory there are checks and balances. and on the iceberg? I just think some people do not care one tiny little bit about what the Lord said. The posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments both here and on Twitter from anonymous people. Harvest Bible Chapel began meeting the Rolling Meadows High School building. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents. Such men do not really serve our Lord Jesus Christ at all but are utterly self-centred. Same thing church leaders told Mars Hill members after Driscolls exit and Willow Creek after Hybels exit. Fred not only took out debt to fund new purchases, he took out additional debt on already encumbered buildings. He stands to shield me from danger Harvest Bible Chapel looks forward to the future as we continue training up ministry leaders, pastors and church plants that seek to fulfill the Great Commission in Matthew 8:28. Im of course speaking about Paul. Thousands came and all seven campuses hosted these spectacular services all at one location! As the author of one of the synoptic gospels, the compiler of early acts of the original Apostles, and the traveling companion of Paul, wouldnt he be the one mostly responsible for letting Paul get away with it? Our goals in writing these letters were accomplished, and its unfortunate that people are making them public. There has been financial fraud committed by Harvest and its leaders. and a Pastor. Good Lord, how does that happen?! There are many claims on this blog but very little proof from original sources, only alleged copies and pastes. But, assuming Paul would be cheering them on nevertheless, that opens up a door for whoever to bring in whatever in attempts to do church (and thats exactly what we have in America). Im told love covers over a multitude of sins. Its actually pretty simple to pick out the false ones. theres a massive problem with the deference thats given but the level of deference given to pastors is completely unhealthy and all because a book kind of indicates that they need to be heeded. There was something wrong with you if you didnt go with the whole church to see it. And today we have 50 year old churches that went afowl 45 years agothey may have all of the teminology down and believe they are the magisterium protecting the truth, but they are dead and Gods Spirit has left. Power provides for itself and money and sex. What do you make of Luke? The manipulation, gaslighting, covering up, mismanagement at an epic level, and complete dysfunction leading to multiple teachers leaving in the middle of the year (some without any notice simply walking out because of the issues which were not being acknowledged or addressed) were devastating to many families. just They tolerate whatever they must (loud music, annoying demands for money, sermons that go in one ear and out the other) in order to establish a community of friends and support in a cold world in which family is often spread across the continent. And what is love? The Apostles warned us this would happen and to be on guard, but we havent done much about it. Also, your letter simply further bolsters credibility of the excellent work from the Elephants Debt and Julie Roys. So I come here to learn, share solace and insights, and tell the odd bear joke. Truth (the Word) + The Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) = Revealed Truth. Ive heard the voice of my Savior, It's literally in his DNA, as his father Jerry is the co-author of the popular LeftBehind series of religious novels. Youre welcome. Dallas was complicit in this, and hes still complicit in attempting to hide the truth. We were in a panic, didnt have enough hands to scramble around and cover all their eyes, which, up to this point, had been quite innocent. That was 30 years ago and it proved to be true. I share this for all who, like me, are overcome with new sadness, pain and loss amidst the HBC, Willow, Catholic church, ECFA, SBC, GFA, etc. So my statement that Dallas may have run an online poker site, and suggestion that it might be questionable concerning MacDonald were off base. I was at a Lenten service and helping with confirmation this evening. This also is so very true! Somewhere in the book we read that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.. Does anyone have examples of big churches that are emblems of integrity? We will note however, that within the church, the world elder is not only a reference to age, but also a position or office of the church. Probably took over where my favorite Vietnamese restaurant used to be. Consider the following Scriptures: And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors [POIMEN] and teachers (Ephesians 4:11). Over time, the North Shore church family found they needed a place for weekday ministries. It is very difficult to regain trust when the most trusted abuse it. Remove the plank so the splinter can be clearly seen. So this ole guy is here until the Lord moves me along or my comments stop making sense (please tell me if they do). But, assuming Paul would be cheering them on nevertheless, that opens up a door for whoever to bring in whatever in attempts to do church (and thats exactly what we have in America). The evidence points to a scam designed to benefit one person only. Kids Night Out. But hundreds of others have similar testimony. With their leadership training, it appears that men like Hybels and MacDonald groom charismatic potential leaders in how to control and manipulate naive, trusting believers for their own personal, or the institutions, gain. I meant Jesus loves us to infinity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSTe9uit48. Together, they developed a vision for this church, which grew into the Four PillarsUnapologetic Preaching, Unashamed Adoration, Unceasing Prayer, and Unafraid Witness. You are the guy wearing the black hat. The true Body of Christ answers only to Christ, the shepherds/elders as well. During this season, we are encouraging everyone to give online and that can be done by clicking the button below. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. Church Discipline A flock without herdsmen will quickly go astray. Harvest Christian Academy currently has more than 500 students, more than 60 staff members, and continues to move forward with a high leadership focus. The daughter of Matt Slick (big-gun-reformed-apologist) converted to fundamental atheism. Sorry to hear that he is now masquerading as Santa Claus Ill tell my grandchildren to be on the lookout. JDV: This verse came to mind: For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God; and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) The business-first model that seems so pervasive and knocks down just about any scrutiny until there is videotaped evidence would seem to fit somewhere in that spectrum, no? Do you consider the primary reason for being asked to serve as an elder was that you were a strong donor since you say you did not meet Biblical qualifications for that office? I only point out that the historical evidence is not what we protestants want it to be. What in the world is running through his mind that he wouldnt want the truth shouted from the rooftops to those whod been under Macs influence far and wide? Why? that exploited the public of Harvest Bible Chapel (the profits of which you enjoyed and benefited from). Never, and I mean never, have I heard someone say, I would leave, but I just cant survive without the gifted teaching. As usual, your comments and insight are on the money, Amy Moore. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. So be careful, dont shoot before you think. Dallas, please reconsider your position. Forget about the so called leaders. There have been countless decisions made for Christ at Camp Harvest, along with the immeasurable life-transforming impact on countless students, men, women, and families. Samuel Conner: I read an article yesterday about small mainstream churches driven to the wall by the migration to the megas being forced to lease their vacant during the week facilities to small businesses in order to generate enough income to keep the doors open. I just wonder how much of my tithes went to support their gambling problem. able to teach As Law Prof noted, JMac is not your usual run-of-the-mill preacher he had an international stage he had thousands of followers he failed you, HBC, and the church at large he has disqualified himself from ministry. I dont have any answers. . I would be interested in hearing about churches your tried or are trying. Too bad there is not a single human being on the planet that is qualified. Too many are like big box stores that shutter all of (the little churches on) Main Street, and then close their own doors forever. While the vast majority of pastors and churches can be trusted, disciples who have experienced a betrayal of trust have become sobered by the thought of joining another church. not given to wine love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. not a novice The potty-mouth preacher from Seattle is still a big draw for macho-men-wannabes and hes found a new audience within Assembly of God ranks. Sandy: In the history of the church, which is most seductive: money, sex, or power? Iowa Steve: Maybe Christianity in all its forms has reached the Tipping Point Where enough believers realize their belief doesnt work for them anymore and Christianity will fade away? I prayed for your father-in-law and your family just now. Ego-stroking that includes WOMAN, SUBMIT!!!! birdoftheair: Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. The movie is being produced by Vertical Church Films, a new film-making branch of the Elgin-based megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel, with its estimated $2 million budget underwritten by the. Dallas failed to mention that Fred Adams, James MacDonald and Luke MacDonald were listed as Producers for one of his film projects. There may be a general principle here, perhaps related to how many people you can know and relate to at a more than superficial level., And the cash flow in a church of 300 is not so large that it is likely to corrupt the leadership team.. . Hours . Q: Why do narcissists go to seminary? Please never leave this forum. Be wary of falling into the trappings you so boldly wish expose. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Humility is required. As Paul cautioned the church at large to beware of Alexander, he has done us much harm, so the watchblogs speak to inform and warn other believers to be wary of certain leaders. 5G, Closer Campaign. We praise God as many heard the Good News that weekend. Yowzers, you have me stumped. Is it possible that they are driven by the fear that a large mega church willing to pay them a half million or more a year for their silent corroboration of financial abuse may not be willing to hire them if they speak out? Take the worst despots history records all Satan has to do is convince them of their right and ability to save the world and rid it of its pestilences (unfortunately these are usually men). Usually being replaced by a building program or a new strategic plan or a new school blah blah blah. of course lightning bolt messages from God come about as often as seas parting. But the manner in which these charlatans lead indicates they dont really know Him they just use Him. Someone asked How high does this go? Dee kindly explained my comment had been flagged because of some word in it and I wasnt blocked. I too often look around at this world, and feel discouraged and useless to make any difference. In full disclosure, not even a full prof or anything big, just a lecturerand a snarky middle aged guy who was such a great lawyer I had to get a job teaching to make a living. Christ gave Himself for His people and that kind of sacrificial self-giving love was meant to be characteristic of those who stood in Christs place in offices of authority in the churches. you are a very comforting presence here, Max. You worked for Us. Max: America needs more Vietnamese restaurants than New Calvinist church plants. We find out that the pastor is living in a $2 million house, he said. . And I think (as an atheist heathen) that what people really need is community, not so much the religious stuff. He sat there for years and participated when people were being bullied and abused, being screamed at by their pastor and boss to the point of tears, watching hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent profligately. I was just telling my wife this morning, that all the corruption that gets exposed on TWW is actually quite consistent with the NT warning of beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. Samuel Conner: people who were being abused, manipulated, fleeced here under the sun, but who nevertheless were hearing the gospel (as they understood gospel), even though it looks to us like it was being preached from false motives. Not. Its your choice. i agree, Paul has worthy things to say that are beneficial. all of this is deeply regrettable. (just like Adam hearkening to his wife in the garden huh?) But you could change the future by using your failure for good. Law Prof: I think Sinclair Lewis was an emotional infant and had a lot more in common with Elmer Gantry than he had the introspection to see. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). The elders would tell people to leave quietly in order to *protect their family. said THATS what Jesus did for YOU!. The company typically gets sick and diessometimes quickly and sometimes suddenlybut it dies. I guess I mean that a person, on his or her own, cant do it without God working it out in that person. Again, like you, I am aware anew of Gods presence in many different places and people, and recently most poignantly in marginalized communities and people. and when he first committed to downsizing, I told him not to do it, that he didnt need to.. Sunday services, weekly small groups, other events all give meaning to peoples lonely lives, and the rest is mostly fluff. And we are in the Lent season. Max: That clearly does not describe James MacDonald and HBC elders who are coming forth one at a time to confess their roles in the great deception in Chicago. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Perpetua herself (the presumed writer of most of the Acts) also spends a lot of time talking about prophetic dreams and suchlike. fear of the evil, scary worldly world. 1 Peter 4:14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. None of the Synoptic gospels have that same setup. Dont get me wrong, Pauls writings have many great and wonderful things to say, but when the descriptive gets blurred with the universally prescriptive, what results is just another destructive ideology. Indeed, I tremble considering even posting this brief comment for fear of retribution. This verse came to mind: For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God; and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) The business-first model that seems so pervasive and knocks down just about any scrutiny until there is videotaped evidence would seem to fit somewhere in that spectrum, no? Are you kidding me right now? The Riverside-based Harvest Christian Fellowship will be joining the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant body that has about 15 million members.The Rev. We started as a group of 18 people, who gathered from five different churches across the northwest suburbs and desired to form a new church. Founded in 1988, it has grown to seven campuses in the Chicago metropolitan area. My name is on all my posts and frankly I find your whining annoying. Trust in Jesus and his completed work is what makes one a child of God. His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. POIMEN, is translated to English as either pastor or shepherd. -, Im certainly not an Apostle chosen by the hand of Jesus as Paul was nor a prophet, or a son of a prophet. He has directed and produced over a dozen . i mean, why does it matter, any more than what elastigirl thinks, or what Max thinks, or what any of the other cast characters thinks? The problem with deception is that you dont know you are deceived because you are deceived. Vincent is a coward: came to an old thread less likely to be read and didnt stick around to answer for his comment. I agree with those who say that Dee is fair with her control of her blog. Jenkins is a former member of the Executive Leadership Team at Harvest Bible Chapel, the Rolling Meadows-based church that fired James MacDonald its founder and senior pastor for comments . His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. In 2021, Camp Harvest was sold to a ministry to continue the maintenance and ongoing work of ministry to young people, youth ministry, and camp events. This campus is a close-knit family of Christ-followers who are deeply committed to living out the gospel and seeing God use their church to impact their community. In 2001, the Crystal Lake Campus began as the second Harvest church plant then transitioned to a campus, officially launching on September 1, 2007. The qualifications are very restrictive for the reason that God wants and needs the best possible candidates to lead His people. AND PREACHER-MAN INFLICTED THAT ON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS? Which direction you take religion or relationship determines whether you discover Truth or not. ++++++++++++++++++++. a Christian/inspirational filmmaker, and former Director of Visual Media and member of the Executive Leadership Team at Harvest Bible Chapel . But, I aint Paul, so I suppose I will just have to wait and see how this sorts itself out in eternity. Living in what the people of Chicagoland call "the northwest suburbs" theologian Scot McKnight and his daughter, teacher Laura Barringer had a front row seat when things began unraveling at Harvest Bible Chapel and Willow Creek Community Church, and furthermore were acquainted with many of the people who became a part of our daily Twitter and blog feeds about both stories. First was Willow Creek Community Church and lead pastor, Bill Hybels. not violent I mean, everyone thought Willow Creek was that church. . He is best known as the creator, director and co-writer of The Chosen, the first multi-season series about the life of Jesus of Nazareth. There are true men of God who are laboring in the field who never get accolades and honor bestowed on them this side of heaven. At least we can see from this that publicizing facts online does provably result in change. VCB became Vertical Worship and currently has more than 20 songs in the CCLIs Top 500 Songs Sung in US Churches, including Open Up the Heavens and Yes, I Will.. For me I choose to pray and let God work, he never ceases to amaze especially when he answers prayer. ex HCA Staff: Behind him, an ancient city unfurled. SiteSeer: Is there a foolproof system that cant be gamed? Vague and almost never supported accusations, e.g., the posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the commentshere is always, in my experience, just a smear from someone whos actually rather cowardly and just looking to defame. Sometimes sincerely wrong. More and more people are realizing that they are not going to get the facts from Harvest. what are these things you see in such people that you identify as being grace-filled? Almighty God himself being murdered by a corrupt religious cabal in collusion with the Roman military. Please think about all the others who will fall under these cultic practices if these perpetrators and their deeds are not brought into the open. The average American Christian has evidently become so open-minded about such characters that their spiritual brains have fallen out! Its true, though, this is kind of an agonized therapy for me, and I am sincere. Chicago is witnessing the implosions of two famous mega churches due to the allegations against their leadership pastors. I will be praying for you. Ken F (aka Tweed):if these offices are wrong it means the wheels fell of of the Church extremely early in its history. Id call him a bottom feeder but I like lobster too much..So hes lower than that. I dont think one can derive that theory from that word showing up once in the entire NT in Peg 4, 4th in a list. Both the Rolling Meadows and Elgin Campuses started food drives for the community to gather and distribute resources during the pandemic. Is anonymous code for little people or pew peons? I will add that I know several women who want out badly, but their husbands refuse. This has been going on now for 12 years. HBC leaders will have to give an account before God for these things. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. For those who regularly read this blog, question with critical thinking, demand proof for claims made, and hold those posting and commenting to the same standards being written about. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. This will always happen, there is no way to avoid it. Harvest needs to close because there as a beacon to the rest of the world as to what happens when talent trumps the grace of God so feeely given to us in repentance and a broken heart. Culty. You are used to being in control of who sees what. Imagine the chaos if we all put our full names out there, along with the names of our (former) churches and the various miscreants, lay and ordained, living and dead, who assaulted and extorted us over the decades. We have millions of church folks in America who say they would die to protect the Bible, but not many actually read it! But if these offices are wrong it means the wheels fell of of the Church extremely early in its history. It has been a comfort reading here (and at TED, Julie Roys, and other sites revealing the truth) of others who are working through this. Where is the elder who stands up and admits, this thing was a wicked, immoral, money-making scheme, corrupting and drawing in people with the lure of mammon and using the money of naive, giving individuals, many of whom gave sacrificially to honor God? This place needs to be shut down. 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